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[Reveal]

Shut the fuck up great. Fucking Fewl.

[StoNe]

Who the fuck is "lilley]zl["????????

this.

[Knight]

Lilley]zL[ is LeT

Is Havoc gone? Anyone know?
If he is gone, I'll come out of retirement :/

[HaVoC]

Yes, I am gone for now. I'm looking for a job and a place to live at the moment so I won't be around for awhile and it cannot be predicted when I can return. All I can say is, I'll do my best to make it as fast as possible so I can return and do alot of things for the clan I was going to do before I had to leave. I wish you all the best of luck in keeping zL alive and strong until I can make my return. Thanks.

- Erik

[Oragami]

dont sweat it Erik. zL Will be here

[TeaLaGe]

terrorize]zl[

worst mistake ever.

[Oragami]

i lost to bang twice in a row tonight good job bang

[TeaLaGe]

wasted and playing snipers is no way to go in life son.

[HaiL]

Yes, I am gone for now. I'm looking for a job and a place to live at the moment so I won't be around for awhile and it cannot be predicted when I can return. All I can say is, I'll do my best to make it as fast as possible so I can return and do alot of things for the clan I was going to do before I had to leave. I wish you all the best of luck in keeping zL alive and strong until I can make my return. Thanks.

- Erik

I came back for you. And now you're gone. *sniffle* To be honest, I don't think the clan is going in the right direction. There's too much favoritism going on. But I guess we'll see how it goes...

[Great]

The entire purpose of zL was to instill a new base to this community -- this means accepting any and all individuals, training them and re-instilling competition into this game. Noumenal Legends isn't some restrictive clan where those you like gain entrance and those you dislike are pushed to the side. Sadly, this is what this clan is becoming. Even sadder, members who disagree with this philosophy even threaten to quit the clan itself when select individuals are granted access (Oragami and Tealage). Gami, do you realized how hard I pushed for you to even get you into this damn clan? And now I'm doing the same for bang - sadly you fail to realize that he is you three weeks ago. Its disgusting. Knight, if you see this, I hope you realize that this is a democracy. You were here on day one - you should realize the point of zL. It isn't a fucking hitlership where you throw around your weight because you own the chieftan bot within the channel. This clan IS meant to instill a new base to the community and promote self-competition. Bang is obviously a good sniper (he has beaten many of you). He will be joining once I talk this over with Luke. For all of you kids in this clan for alternate reasons other than promoting the strength of this community, leave now.

[GoSu]

^^^ LOL

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If we are such a "democracy" then why you only talking to luke about bang joining? Shouldn't you be talking to the entire clan and/or higher members... think about what you're saying, thanks.

[Great]

^^^ LOL

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If we are such a "democracy" then why you only talking to luke about bang joining? Shouldn't you be talking to the entire clan and/or higher members... think about what you're saying, thanks.

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You are inferring far too much meaning (the wrong meaning) from my statement. What I will be discussing with Luke is the divergent path this clan seems to be heading down. If I were to talk to you Travis, would anything change? Of course not. You aren't the founder of this clan (you have little power of persuasion). I'm merely trying to maintain the original intended purpose of this clan...to facilitate this process (the democratic process of which I speak), I will talk to Luke...

There is no voting system nor will this democratic process apply to this (it will apply to those throwing their weight around in an attempt to make finalized decisions that need to be discussed prior). Former hackers//current hackers were the only exceptions ineligible to enter zL. This means, despite whatever system is being run here (democratic or otherwise), all applicants should be accepted.

I really don't give a fucking shit what petty differences you or anyone else has with applicants or current members. Deal with it. I don't particularly like a few members in this clan currently, but you don't see me throwing myself out of the clan simply to prevent them from entering.

Shut the fuck up.

[Reveal]

lol@gosu. left great speechless for a minute to think about what to say. LOL

[GoSu]

well seeing as ora is a former hacker, then why did you push so hard to let him into the clan... seems like favorites to me. That isn't a shot at ora either b/c I don't really have a problem with him. As for bang, again I really don't have a huge problem with him, if he joins he needs to learn to quit shittalking everyone tho and I believe he's said on numerous occasions that zL is newb. Anywho, the purpose of the clan was lost long ago... not recently. We started out recruiting new snipers altogether and where has that gotten us? We currently have no one who is active using the )zL( tag, so if you're all for revamping this clan then start where it matters... at the beginning.

[Oragami]

well seeing as ora is a former hacker, then why did you push so hard to let him into the clan... seems like favorites to me. That isn't a shot at ora either b/c I don't really have a problem with him. As for bang, again I really don't have a huge problem with him, if he joins he needs to learn to quit shittalking everyone tho and I believe he's said on numerous occasions that zL is newb. Anywho, the purpose of the clan was lost long ago... not recently. We started out recruiting new snipers altogether and where has that gotten us? We currently have no one who is active using the )zL( tag, so if you're all for revamping this clan then start where it matters... at the beginning.

"at the beginning"
*like*

[Great]

well seeing as ora is a former hacker, then why did you push so hard to let him into the clan... seems like favorites to me. That isn't a shot at ora either b/c I don't really have a problem with him. As for bang, again I really don't have a huge problem with him, if he joins he needs to learn to quit shittalking everyone tho and I believe he's said on numerous occasions that zL is newb. Anywho, the purpose of the clan was lost long ago... not recently. We started out recruiting new snipers altogether and where has that gotten us? We currently have no one who is active using the )zL( tag, so if you're all for revamping this clan then start where it matters... at the beginning.

Being that I left for 5 years, my knowledge of whose who among the hackers was very limited and it still is. I've been talking to bang about his attitude in hopes of him changing; however, this isn't very plausible given the fact that those in power (knight) shit talk current members and piss them off to the point of leaving (Iverson). And then there is James who basically got Hitlered by Luke. All I'm saying is this clan can be run better. And I believe it can be run best with the original sentiment - instill competition and increase the base of the community. This is possible, as you said, we must start from the beginning. I have finals in about a week, so I won't be on for a while. This will remain a team effort (you included - your choice though). If you look at the zL website, members were appointed to a task of training. The problem is activeness and when active, a consistency to train these newer members to enliven their interests in the map (it isn't very interesting playing a one unit map for many). And even if this doesn't occur on a regular basis (people have lives), the goal of the clan doesn't have to change. What does have to change is the mentality of those in power. Summer is approaching and activeness will increase. This feuding and "I'ma leave the clan if so and so joins" has to stop. Do you want to settle for mediocrity? That is fine if you want this. I simply think the clan is more than what it is now. Give some of these guys you hate so much a chance...

Its a fucking video game, you don't see these people daily, yet you have this grudge against them. What the fuck could be more nerdish >.>.

[TeaLaGe]

Why are you playing favorites with bang then? Few days ago everyone hated him and thought he was a dumbass now you and klit play with him every day now just because you and klit say he's good that means he's in zl? Fact is, all 3 of you are consider tripartite of sitting regardless of what you say. The whole idea of this clan from what I seen is balanced power, by not talking to other HC or leader about a certain player and just letting them join, that seem kinda NOT democratic doesnt it? You're just asking klit to let whoever in without discussing with other HC or leaders.

The same shit happen with Angel, Klit changes his mind and suddenly Angel is back.

I'm now temporary HC, my say in this clan is worth listening to, before I couldn't give a shit now I do. I threaten to leave because the leadership aka "klit" was running everything like it was his clan, not talking to HC, not talking to other leaders, threatening me "If you dont like it, just leave". So it was none of my business, I didn't care. I would of left and talk to Havoc when he came back. I have absolutely no reason to follow klit if havoc wasn't there.

You saying that you left for 5 years and have limited of knowledge of hackers means you should talk to fellow clan members about certain players not just your pal KliT because obviously you're just blindly allowing people in.

-> HaiL [There's too much favoritism going on]? Where is favoritism? I'm only temporary HC till Havoc comes back. I was voted by Lethal, Skyline, Save. Currently waiting for SouL, GoSu, FloW, and engima to come on.

I already know Great and KliT are not gonna vote for me.

Give some of these guys you hate so much a chance

I will never give Bang a chance for what he did these last 2 month. The guy is plain fucking retarded. It was better when he didn't open his mouth every 2 seconds and try to copy everything I do. Maybe he took my words too seriously.

I suggest you speak with other clan mates and leader not just klit. The last thing you want it is a war inside the clan.

[Moffitt]

You used the term Hitlership LOL. Just wanted to point out I was the first to call this out as a problem so gg.

[GoSu]

i do believe i said idc either way if bang or ora is in or not, just pointing out your ignorance.. if its "just a game" then why come back after 5 years to stir up trouble??

[TeaLaGe]

Yeah.. but you're in the wrong clan.