Dispute about a draw. Solar v Oragami

[SOLAR]

The game ended in a draw. I left the game in order to remake it and do the overtime with a side switch. Oragami and sonic said that I forfeited by leaving, and I said I did not.

Logically, I would not forfeit if it was a tie game. Realistically, I never claimed to forfeit, or give any sign of it. As far as the rules are concerned, the game is split up into 15 minute halves, so there is a side switch at the end. The map does not implement this feature, which is why I remade. I made my ruling, saying that we are supposed to finish the game with switched sides and 3 mins on the clock, however Oragami and sonic feel like I should take a loss for our draw. This is irrational, and a sad attempt at gathering wins. He must finish the game, or he himself will receive a forfeit.

Oragami : you left, so you forfeit!!
Solar : But it was a draw... I left to rm the overtime

If you really believed that I left in order to forfeit, then you're either a moron, or a liar. It was a tie game, why would I forfeit, after a 50+ point comeback? I obviously left to finish the game with a side switch. The triggers are supposed to pause, players should return to their bases and side switch when flags are returned.


EVERYONE WAS RIGHT ABOUT YOU ORAGAMI, I MADE A MISTAKE BY TRUSTING YOU TO BE IN MY LEAGUE. YOU'RE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK YOU DESERVE A WIN FOR A DRAW. YOU SUCKED @ END AND BLEW IT. I GAVE U MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO FINISH THE GAME OFF, AND YOU DID NOT TAKE THEM. ENJOY YOUR LOSS.

[Oragami]

MVP BOth games on Cam, Got it all on CAM SON ALL OF IT INCLUDING HOW LONG IT TOOK U TO LEAVE GAME AFTER THE TIE WAS announced EVEN WATCHED MY VID UR SO WRONG, GET WIT IT

[Relieve]

See here is where you are wrong. First, let me upload the photostream of everything that has been said.

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Alright. According to the first few images, you claim to leave the game because you thought that the clock did not work. You NEVER said anything about a side switch. Notice in the images he begins to talk about the so-called "side switch" rule after a couple more images. This shows that he left the game because he thought that the clock did not work, NOT because the side switch didn't work. And, realistically, let's be honest. Even if he saw that the clock worked for the OT, would he really have left for his "so-called side switch rule"? I think not. He explains that he left the game because he thought the CLOCK did not work. The CLOCK.

After realizing how much of a fucking cheat he is, why would he even want a SS in the first place? It's never said in the rules and the map was not meant to have a side switch feature for overtime. Yet he keeps wanting to RM. Why would he want to RM? We all know how much he loves hot, if we were to really SS he would be cold. He hates cold side. So, therefore we can come up with the conclusion that he can not accept a lost. If you leave the game before it has ended, then it is a forfeit.


And NOW he is saying that we should be banned from the league for not following his rules. Terrible league host.

[Oragami]

Not only that but he had the whole time after wood took flag to say any of that, (the timer stops)
ALSO he had about 1 minute off the OVERTIME CLOCK TO SAY SOMETHING TOO.

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[777avericK]

Completely impartial here, just wanted to give my two cents.

First off, I just want to commend Solar for creating the league to help the sniper community become active and competitive again. The logic that he used was sound. There wasn't any reason for him to "quit/forfeit" when the game is tied. But due to the fact that the "rule" wasn't implemented before the game, I believe that it's kind of unfair for Oragami and Relieve to have to deal with this nonsense. They seem to be following the rules to its fullest intentions, and I believe that it's healthy for the league to have everyone doing this. There are certain people who would've let this "remaking" issue slide, but unfortunately these guys aren't those type of guys.

A reasonable alternative to this is to give Oragami and Relieve the win for that game, and then have the new rules become effective immediately afterwards. It is Solar's league, but in terms of fairness and credibility, the league hosts have to be more tolerant and reasonable in these types of circumstances in order to maintain the loyalty of the participants.

[AsSaSsiN]

Unbiased opinion here. A normal snipers game consists of two 15 minute intervals. 15 minutes is spent on team cold, 15 minutes is spent on team hot if their is an overtime you stay on the side you were just on and gameplay continues. There was no issue with the clock your partner just didn't return the flag right away which is why it stuck on 1 second (this is common knowledge). Then about 10 seconds or so passed (on the gameclock) yet you voiced a malfunctioning clock as to why you left. You then changed your argument to invent a new rule that you need to side switch on overtime (never been done in any previous leagues, or implemented in ANY map). To think that Oragami/Relieve would comprehend this rule that is nowhere stated in any rulebook nor is it common knowledge is not reasonable. And to just abruptly leave an ongoing game without expecting a penalty is as well. You lost the game

"Realistically I never claimed to forfeit, or give any sign of it." Leaving a game while in progress is a clear sign of forfeiting.

I agree with Mav, if you want to implement this rule then you can as long as everyone now knows about it. But since this rule was nowhere to be found prior to this match, you should take the loss.

my 2 cents.

[Relieve]

Thanks for your honest opinions, its the truth, we don't deserve a lost or a ban just because we fail to follow your orders, SOLAR. You should allow us to continue to participate in the league.

Anyways, where you been Assassin? Haven't seen you along with many other above average snipers in a long time since I came back about 2 weeks ago.

[Oragami]

As Relieve said, thank you for you're unbiased and honest opinion really that what i was hoping posting on the forum would get us.

@ Solar Please do not ban us and ruin this league, its aimed to be a good one, you did set it up well.
I think their should be a rule that we use 1.10UPs map ONLY, that way the over time clock is assured to work.

Both games were a GG.

[LocKeD]

Same here.. Honest opinion first of all this side switch for overtime was neve EVER IMPLEMENTED anywhere.. it should just be the normal overtime..

ALTHOUGH... IF SoLAr left the overtime WHILE IT WAS TIED. There should have a 2 minute remake. because thats dumb if he leaves when its tied game because he thinks something else... although if solar was losing when he left then he should receive a lost.


Just saying... if u look at Oragami video.. when Wood is returning the last flag.. for the tie..
Oragami CLEARLY SITS... and should be AUTO DQ for sitting like that. Solar could of made the winning kill or Vice versa... but ora clearly went back to Base vision for a good minute. Rules against sitting should apply even with 1 second left.

[Oragami]

.... your wrong hugo, if wood is sittin top with the flag waiting on his partner...and yes note the word 'sitting' in the phrase 'sitting @ top with flag waiting for his pner to reflag' what gives them the right and me not?
^ in theory.

also to clear it up i just checked my vid, i didnt sit i respawned ran <<< on bottom of map, went around to pillar came out cut back across into my base vision and went around > and proceeded to flag,
PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE I did not sit, I merely vised around the whole area, they needed a reflag to win, its logical and acceptable.
Quit trying to get me DQed cause you have issues with me.
Yah Hugo 3-0 I guess that 'stats will speak for themselves' ur right!
....how many wins are you at...?

[LocKeD]

Lol Im at 2-0... just the waiting time to compress is long

Btw ''Going back to base vision'' is not acceptable wtf u smoking LOL

it is CLEAR SITS what u did... but since wood sat in his base too I guess u were allowed to... because honestly I cant see if wood was sitting or not because u dont have his vision.. but I guess he was..

[Oragami]

Thanks you thats all im sayin, also for your compression problem check out other topics link for compressing while you record, vids end up around 23mb or so, takes about 4 min to upload with a 200kbps upload rate, *and thats low*

[LocKeD]

Thanks you thats all im sayin, also for your compression problem check out other topics link for compressing while you record, vids end up around 23mb or so, takes about 4 min to upload with a 200kbps upload rate, *and thats low*

ight thx ill check it out

[RiFLe]

My cam lags a bit when i compress while recording. So i just do it after :P

[ZER(o)]

Seems to me lke this game was a huge misunderstanding and should just be written off entirely; a loss for no one.

From what I gather, the timer didn't malfunction, but SOLAR thought it did. He has no reason to leave a tie game. And if the timer really DID malfunction, what was supposed to happen? A waiting match and whoever leaves first loses? The entire situation makes no sense.

[Relieve]

How does it not make sense? If the clock really DID malfunction then we would have remade easy. But it didn't and he left, which counts as a forfeit. So it's an automatic loss for him. In fact, we would have remade for him if he didn't have to make up shit. But realizing that he has not posted around here once since the incident, I don't think he gives a fuck.