Snipers Community needs to stay united!

[skiD]

Hello dear shittalking bastards,

or "Expert Snipers". I just wanted to make a statement, because of all these new threads about a new forums, a new game, a new random individual. We, snipers, have had a forum for over 4 years, it was essentially a randomlychosen free hosted forum on invisionfree. Now, Sniper and his brother spent money on a real website with a real domain for, among others, the upcoming release of Starcraft 2 game and the new Snipers map. We JUST moved to this forum, why the hell would we move again?

I get it, Snipers on SC2, will be somewhat different, the community will have the possibility to grow alot bigger, there will be new people trying it everyday, but we are the origins of the game, we know how to play the game, why the hell can't we have the right show the people how the game should be played?

Random guy makes a new map with absolutely no knowledge of the game, never playing or hearing of SC:BW Snipers before, never map making before, and he lures you in with a website and colored writing? I didn't test his map because I do not have SC2, but from what I've seen in the replies he just has the terrain and lacks ALOT of the features we want... If anything, he could have just come in here and say, hey I have a terrain, let's build a good map together. I just think everyone needs to stay together, a new website would just divide the community in two. What does that site has that we don't already? Nothing. Their members (4-5) can just stick here and make the map we had already been testing and trying improve if they like snipers.

This game is ours! Who can develop it better than the people who knew what it had and lacked? Random guy, I have nothing against you, at all, but if you want OUR game then join OUR community if you really want a remake of SC snipers then you need our help, if not then just call your game another name and don't say it's coming off SC Snipers.

My 2 cents.

[BaSe]

im probably not gettin sc2 unless i happen to buy a new comp so meh!

Most of our community does not have sc2.. most are bashing it and saying they are not going to get it. or they are not going to play snipers on it.

People say they are going to make a map.. and never do.

At least this guy is taking initiative.

We don't have to use his map.. but quite Frankly its the only one we have to choose from.
Just like when Solar made his map, Damein made his.. Eventually a standard map will be used.. But untill then, we have to play with whats in front of us.

[TeaLaGe]

Random guy makes a new map with absolutely no knowledge of the game, never playing or hearing of SC:BW Snipers before, never map making before, and he lures you in with a website and colored writing? I didn't test his map because I do not have SC2, but from what I've seen in the replies he just has the terrain and lacks ALOT of the features we want... If anything, he could have just come in here and say, hey I have a terrain, let's build a good map together. I just think everyone needs to stay together, a new website would just divide the community in two. What does that site has that we don't already? Nothing. Their members (4-5) can just stick here and make the map we had already been testing and trying improve if they like snipers.

I wanted to say this. I completely agree. those "4-5" members that I saw on the forum, I have never heard of them in Starcraft, they're just random people who are fascinated with the game, but have clearly NO knowledge or history of playing the game. If anything, reputation and respect moves people.

[BaSe]

well, we've been trying to expand this community for the longest time now.. so instead of bashing the ppl.. teach them the game.. and grow the community.

New games, new changes.. accept it

[TeaLaGe]

The point is they have absolutely no credibility. Who the fuck are they?...

For example, I never played Dota, and yet If i make a map with competely same trigger/characters and advertise hugely on a Dota Forum, you really think anyone would take me seriously?

[Sephiroth]

I wanted to say this. I completely agree. those "4-5" members that I saw on the forum, I have never heard of them in Starcraft, they're just random people who are fascinated with the game, but have clearly NO knowledge or history of playing the game. If anything, reputation and respect moves people.

Really? The guy who made the map didnt know snipers but the people giving him the ideas include: WooD,/SpLitPuNcH/ Sephir8th/HuMaYuN, XeNoZ, OilForCash, etc..You don't know any of them? They're the only active people who'r actually giving their input and trying to bring snipers into SC2. The maker of the Map (Jeff) is actually spending countless hours into making it like the orig perhaps if more people help him out it would get close to it..

[BaSe]

The point is they have absolutely no credibility. Who the fuck are they?...

For example, I never played Dota, and yet If i make a map with competely same trigger/characters and advertise hugely on a Dota Forum, you really think anyone would take me seriously?

Yes, Look at Heroes of newerth, League of legends.

[TeaLaGe]

,/SpLitPuNcH/ Sephir8th/HuMaYuN, XeNoZ, OilForCash, etc..

Open Sniperforum Hacker forums. The credibility of yours is not even great. I personally caught you hacking and smurfing on those name and yet nobody believe that it is the "real" you and insist that it was a smurf while you were still playing with players like tts. Your opinion is not valid.

This "JEFF" doesn't even play the game. Play a game, make yourself known or atleast experience it and then make your game. This guy just comes out of nowhere, spams the entire board and tries to take over maverick friend or brother forum. If anything, he's should be banned.

Yes, Look at Heroes of newerth, League of legends.

? What's your point? The people who played HoN actually played the DoTa. Why do you think it's so similar? Here you have a group of player who has absolutely no history of playing this game. The guy even stated he never even played before.

[Hmm]

Maybe if you weren't so elitist, other people would have a chance to "learn the history". I'm pretty sure Icefrog doesn't know shit about the "history of DOTA", and still updates it.

This is probably the best chance this community has ever had in expanding, and then you condemn it.

The only part of this worth supporting is that someone paid money for this forum, so might as well make good use of it.

[BaSe]

Bottom Line.
None of the current snipers are doing shit to promote sc2 snipers. This dude is. If you don't like it.. do something to promote it. Stop giving this dude and his friends shit cause they enjoy the game.

None of us own "snipers".. He has every right to make a map.. just as we do. We should be welcoming sc2 snipers to the community instead we are giving them shit. Saying wheres your credibility.. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU.

KINDA FUCKED UP.. Don't ya think?

We've always wanted to grow the community.. So lets let it happen.

BTW
There are many old sc1 Snipers who have came back to play snipers in sc2.
People already know the terminology. i.e mcs, rs, deselect. lure and etc.
They talk about "what ever happened to walks" and so forth.

[Epin3phrin3]

Wow...awesome thread skid **clap clap** How can you talk about "respect" when you put up a thread like this? I'm not trying to "steal" anything like i've said before. I'm not trying to make it "MY" own game. If you even go to our forum and read it...you'll see I ask for help in EVERY aspect of the game. Not just help from "random people" with "no credibility." Old school snipers like Base/Falselights, Lock/Leo, Stars/Wood, Sephiroth, etc. all give me ideas. I'm not one to shut down a lot of ideas either...like you said...I've never played the game...i don't know what was supposed to be there, so i write down every idea they give me. Most, if not ALL of them almost always get implemented into the map.

If you go to our forums at edit and visit "News" for the "Changelog" forum...you'll see what i'm talking about. For example, Falselights or Base, one of the two had told me about a "half-time" switch. I said...that's gonna be hard, but I'll see what i can do. That SAME night...I came home from work...spent 4 and a half HOURS working on the map to make that "half-time" switch possible. I'm not saying this so you can feel BAD for me. I enjoy working on the map, I enjoy watching people play my map, and I enjoy playing it myself. The other day I was telling all of them I am so glad we decided to remake this map bc it is so fun. I can honestly play it all day, and i have before.

I know the old sniper community is on this forum...i'm not trying to take people away. Again, if you go to my forum to "News" we have made an announcement about an affiliation with this website. There doesn't have to be ONE website for snipers. Lets be honest...do you think people are going to say "hey, forget checking out the other site for additional information...i'm too lazy to type in another URL and browse that forum as well."? If I can browse this forum and also keep our forum updated...i'm sure other people can do the same.

In terms of "showing people how to play"...why don't you? Wait till the release or get a beta...and show people. I can only do so much myself. I have tips in the UI that display how to play...i made videos of games and add commentary on what is going on so people will understand (to the best of my ability...i'm not comfortable with ALL the "snipers" vocabulary just yet). I never said you COULDN'T play my map...but if you refuse to play it...that's not something i can help right? I've been trying to learn more about the game myself...yea i created it...but these ideas they aren't MINE. It's not like i sat down one day and said..."i'm going to remake SC1 Snipers...hmm...i'll just take the general idea and run with it." Alex...aka Lures or Snipernoob used to play old school snipers. He was the first person to give me the ideas of the gameplay. After that...i've been asking for suggestions and ideas CONSTANTLY. I practically beg people to give me feedback or suggestions to make the game as SIMILAR as possible. I know i wont' be able to make an EXACT replica of the game, but i can come pretty damn close. Not only that the SC2 Map Editor has AMAZING abilities....we can add things to the map that would make it different...but SO MUCH MORE advanced WITHOUT taking away the idea of snipers.

You are all right...i dont' have "credibility"...i "haven't" played the game, BUT...i do have people that respect me as a map maker. I've gotten the whole gambit of comments on the map. "This is a great map...good job...just like the original," and also "This map is fucking lame." Whenever I hear a negative comment...the first thing i ask is "What do you want me to do to make it better?" I don't flame them back...it's not the way i work...if you want to flame...then you back it up with suggestions...otherwise you don't deserve my respect and i could care less whether you gave me any yourself. I've pretty much dedicated my free time to the map and promoting it as much as possible. I want to help the "sniper community unite." It doesn't mean we all need to unite under ONE forum does it?

If you want to make a map thats BETTER and MORE similar to the original...go ahead...i'll gladly play it when it's finished. Who wouldn't want to play a map that's better? However, I will tell you this...it takes a LONG time...and i've had a LOT of help. Maybe not from you...but there are plenty of other people who help me with the map in EVERY aspect. And i'll say this...there's no way I could have done it without them. Before you bash my map and tell me how much it "lacks"...play it or at least watch a video...it's come a long way since i first posted on here...and that's thanks to everyone that has helped me. I respect every sniper player because I know each dedicated sniper player has the same common goal in minds as i do...grow the community...but it's hard to respect you when you post threads like this skid.
~Epi

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BTW...i apologize for the long post...but...a lot of those things needed to be said. Also...i apologize for this additional post

[JimmyBanks]

^ No flaming, its against the rules
^No advertising, its against the rules

and that colour shit is real annoying to read.

[skiD]

First of all, what are you talking about? Respect... what? I dont see when in this post I say you dont deserve respect or that I deserve respect. You say I didnt read anything of what youve been posting or whats in your site? Did you even bother to read a 3 paragraphs post?...

I dont think you read and understood myself correctly. I said the only problem I have is that you started your own stuff appart from this and then you claim you didnt want to split up the community. And I did say if your map turns out very good, GJ.

My problem really, is that why come here promote a new site about a game when we already have one. Read the freaking title of my post : COMMUNITY NEEDS TO STAY TOGETHER, OLD AND NEW. I dont care who makes the map if it ends up fucking awesome dude. I did say you have no credibility but honestly can you really have any when you have so little knowledge of the game like you did. Atleast you did gather a team of old snipers I know and respect to help with it. Just saying why make it so appart of the old guys, like me, who would really love to see the evolution of the game but who cant really afford buying and updating his computer every year?

[SaVoR]

First of all, what are you talking about? Respect... what? I dont see when in this post I say you dont deserve respect or that I deserve respect. You say I didnt read anything of what youve been posting or whats in your site? Did you even bother to read a 3 paragraphs post?...

I dont think you read and understood myself correctly. I said the only problem I have is that you started your own stuff appart from this and then you claim you didnt want to split up the community. And I did say if your map turns out very good, GJ.

My problem really, is that why come here promote a new site about a game when we already have one. Read the freaking title of my post : COMMUNITY NEEDS TO STAY TOGETHER, OLD AND NEW. I dont care who makes the map if it ends up fucking awesome dude. I did say you have no credibility but honestly can you really have any when you have so little knowledge of the game like you did. Atleast you did gather a team of old snipers I know and respect to help with it. Just saying why make it so appart of the old guys, like me, who would really love to see the evolution of the game but who cant really afford buying and updating his computer every year?

You don't really need to update your computer every year.. just do it once to play the game.. and it doesnt even require expensive upgrades either.

[Epin3phrin3]

Jimmy...how can u say "no flaming it's against the rules" when there are people like Ora around in these forums? The majority of the posts i've read from him are flames. I don't mean to single him out, but...it's true. I've even spoken to some old sc1 snipers and they agree.

The color is used only to help emphasize key points incase people don't want to read the entire post. I realized it was somewhat long.

Nowhere in your post (BTW I did read your 3 paragraph post...two and half times actually) did you bother to compliment my map. From the start of it...the idea of your post suggests the map is just terrain with a lack of any ideas. To me...that doesn't seem like compliments nor does it foreshadow any appraisal for the future.

I may not be credible...this is true...i agree 100% on this, but you cannot say my "map" isn't credible because then you may as well tell all the old school snipers that help me build the ideas that they are not credible. I don't build this map with ANY of my OWN ideas. It's supposed to be a "remake." Which means...I take the ideas that already exist and recreate them. I don't know most of the ideas...so I go to people like wood, base, and falselights to ask them for their ideas. They know the game way better than i do....i trust their knowledge. I am just the guy who does the work on the map editor to make the ideas into a map. Like Base said...no one else is doing it.

And about the new website...I don't even care if you all decide to keep posting on here about SC2 Snipers and boycott ours. That's fine with me...dont' register on our forums and dont' post on it. Post on here all you want about it. My intentions of posting on this website weren't to take people from here and move them...they were to let people know about a map. If i knew this was going to be such a big deal...I would have just not said anything about the other forum and just introduced the map. I didn't know letting people know about a different forum they COULD go to for sniper information would all of a sudden divide the community. And to be honest...i'm not trying to keep it apart from old school people like you...i told you to play the map. However...your "love" for the game...and "dedication" can't even motivate you to make a few upgrades to your computer to play SC2? Like Savor said...it doesn't take an entire computer...i have friends that run it on P.O.S. laptops with low settings of course...but nonetheless...it runs.

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Oh in correction...spoke with one of my friends about SC2 and it's requirements. He has a P.O.S. laptop and it actually runs on "medium." And this is snipers we are talking about...there isn't going to be a max 200 supply army clashing against another max 200 supply army. There are a maximum of 8 units on a field at one time...Not exactly "intense" processing speed needed.

[FalseLights]

@ skid.
It sounds like you've been inactive for a few weeks on the forum. He explained who he was and why he started on this project. Don't just read the title of a thread.. actually read the posts.

call your game another name and don't say it's coming off SC Snipers.

The map is called I R Snipers, but I know what your trying to say; he calls it a 'remake of sc1 snipers'. Me and a few other old schools are trying to make that statement a reality and he IS giving credit where its due. You said he lacks a lot of the features that we want, yet you have not given any input on that. I can't play beta online but I still have been talking to him on skype, giving him input now and then.

@Tealage
This is not a popularity contest. These 'randoms' are actually promoting and advertising the game on beta. I have more respect for them than I have for you.

Like Base said, "At least this guy is taking initiative".

[JimmyBanks]

Jimmy...how can u say "no flaming it's against the rules" when there are people like Ora around in these forums? The majority of the posts i've read from him are flames. I don't mean to single him out, but...it's true. I've even spoken to some old sc1 snipers and they agree.

Once you get to know the people, you will understand their posts,

Ora's post are usually just troll/joke posts, he isnt actually intending to offend somebody.
And i dont think i need to be defending him anyways,

whether you think he is flaming or not,is up to you, the rules are up to the mods decisions, and either way flaming is still against the rules, so dont do it.

[Oragami]

Once you get to know the people, you will understand their posts,

Ora's post are usually just troll/joke posts, he isnt actually intending to offend somebody.
And i dont think i need to be defending him anyways,

whether you think he is flaming or not,is up to you, the rules are up to the mods decisions, and either way flaming is still against the rules, so dont do it.

*Clap Clap* *thumbs up to Jimmy*

[Epin3phrin3]

Jimmy...how can u allow Ora to write the same thing you call me out for "flaming" and not reprimand him? There isn't a post after his about "^no flaming it's against the rules." If you are going to run this forums you can't be bias in your decisions...it is your decision, but it's clear the decision is incorrect when the same example is used.

[JimmyBanks]

Ora was responding to my post, therefore not a flame...

the other thread was already responded to and i explained that im barely in that section of the forum.

plz do not single me out again for rules, there are multiple mods, and breaking rules are all being handled the same.